The more I think about this article, the sadder I become knowing that most of you believe its lies. Natives did not participate in the slave trade. We were dwelling in Africa before being sold to the so-called white man (Edomites) by the hands of Africans (Hamites, specifically Tyre and Sidon) and Arabs (Palestine). What I will do is to remind you that GOD gave us all an ability that sets us apart from lower animals and that is the ability to reason, use common sense instead of instinct, as lower animals do. Exaggerated claims aside, Im not sure how unless you give that stuff more credibility than its worth. The powers that be, have kept a lot of the truth where history covered up because, its all so ugly as well as in humane!!!!!!!! Great to hear the truth that MOST BRITISH dont want to hear COLM MAHER. Now White people want to say Okay, no more racism, you keep what you have and Ill keep what I have after tilting the field in their favor for decades. It was these conquerors who sold off the conquered to the Europeans. Thank you. Dubhthaigh, anglicized to Duffy, comes from an Irish name meaning black or swarthy. After the end of the atlantic slave trade ended in the early 19th century, breeding was encouraged, and more fertile women were preferred over non birthing prolific women. Ive called for sources supporting the article although I am not entirely in disagreement with it, Ive provided a source on Irish indentured *slaves in this discussion that doesnt fit with your narrative of voluntary service. The slave owners of my ancestors were Dingles. You also havent delved into how racism could have played into how African and Irish slaves were treated. Notable Lyons include Australian politician Joseph Lyons and actor David Lyons. Murphy 2. in order to be enslaved it didnt matter whether you were Irish, English, Welsh, Scots, Black, White. Additionally, Ireland had its own religion, law code, alphabet, and even a style of dress. If this is the case, contrary to what may often be thought (that the term refers to an Irish person with dark skin, hair, and complexion), the label is actually a reference to said invaders intentions, all those centuries ago. Notable Cunninghams include American professional basketball player Dante Cunningham and football quarterback Randall Cunningham. In any case, all bar the serious felons were freed once the term of their contract expired. It doesnt matter how well you claim they were treated nor what advantage you say they had by the color of their skin. A brief history the movements of Celts across Europe. I think the more realistic story of how many Blacks got Irish last names is that there were rich Irish who owned slaves too. Famous Regans include actress Bridget Regan and talk-show host Trish Regan. The fact is that any white male could sexually assault a black woman with impunity. Actress Chelsea Kane is one of the most well-known Kanes. With this, Irish people and families began to associate with the collective surname of O'Dubhghaill. [], We took slaves too, St Patrick was a slave! The Irish may have been treated like shit way back when, but nobody sold even one of them. His name is Liam Hogan or should I say Lord Hogan lol. The impact of freeing the slave would be felt much more to the Confederates than the Union. Slavery is a terrible condition to place on people. Get your heads out of your collective asses and out of all those others. The West, wrongly puts Africa, which is a continent not a country, as all the same people. I read How the Irish Became White. Famous OCarrolls include British archaeological illustrator, painter, and sculptor John Patrick OCarroll. I do so only under protest. From a young age, nomadic parents placed a strong emphasis on education in real experience and the outdoors - a trait which has carried through her life and into her career. Many Native American tribes would enslave other tribes that theyd conquer. Families were ripped apart as the British did not allow Irish dads to take their wives and children with them across the Atlantic. This article tries to make it seem as if black slaves had it far better than Irish slaves or indentured servants. All of those point to it being English, British, Anglo-Saxon in origin not Irish or Gaelic or Irish-Gaelic for that matter. Irish were indentured servants,which lasted 7 years. I will admit, some of this is said by a very very very small percentage of the real irish population worldwide, they see it as being weak !!!! Were revealing where the term comes from and who exactly the term is referring to. The surname Black was first found in Lincolnshire where they held a family seat from very ancient times, some say well before the Norman Conquest and the arrival of Duke William at Hastings in 1066 A.D. The Vikings bestowed upon themselves the title of the dark invaders or black foreigners. http://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=dudley, Claims its origins are Anglo-Saxon name associated with Worcestershire, England: Then after a time the law change and blacks were considered chattel so therefore were unable to buy their freedom. The black people of today are not harmed by the slavery of decades ago any more than I (an Irish-American) or any other Irishmen are. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission. However, let me respond. They entered into an indentured agreement, which was recorded (and can be viewed on many online resources) for a fixed period of time and were subject to the same laws as all subjects of the King. There are a number of different claims as to the origin of the term Black Irish, none of which are possible to entirely prove or disprove. Whether the stereotype is based on truth or not, I have no personal knowledge. The Blake family name was found in the USA, the UK, Canada, and Scotland between 1840 and 1920. The Vikings were often referred to as the "dark invaders" or "black foreigners." This explains why many of my DNA ancestors carry Mitochondrial European DNA and such high percentages. However Middle English blac also meant 'pale wan' a reflex of Old English blc 'pale white' with a shortened vowel. One of the most famous Buckeys is singer-songwriter Jeff Buckley. Its now being used to paint the picture of white persecution and victimization and to deny historic institution racism in the US. Thus, Black people dont have anything of value for the most part. Smith is one of the most common surnames across the world with well known Smiths such as actor Will Smith, actress Maggie Smith, and singer-songwriter Patti Smith all having the popular Irish surname. She and many other commentators suggest and maintain that this is a racial issue, Black against White. Though slavery did and still occurs worldwide, chattel slavery was an American created tradition whereby the condition of the mother indicated whether or not a child was born free or enslaved.. We highlight the most inspiring experiences Ireland has to offer. I dont know why you are so proud because they dont claim you!!! Since enslaved blacks did not have last names at the time the Civil War ended, many were catalogued on freedmens lists and forced to adopt last names. The largest number of Irish descendants reside in the United States, while in Australia, those sharing in Irish ancestry account for a higher percentage of the population than in any other country, except Ireland. the diffrence is the irish support other oppressed nations not cry that they were treated worst. Unlike African slavery ,the Irishs story was not widely publicised. And so on.., http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-stolen-village-des-ekin/1113681635?ean=9781847174314#productInfoTabs. X-Factor winner Shane Ward is one of the most well-known Wards. THEY WERE INDENTURED SERVANTS. Irish family names can tell stories, too. You are so wrong common sense should tell you how did all colors come from 2 people. I assume many of the ones the worked side by side with the Irish slaves used their last name in hopes of not being made to take the slave owners name. Kelly (46480) 3. IRA was very active at what time and why are you bringing terrorists into this? I enjoy being educated, there is so much to learn that I wish our young people were taught, so they would love instead of hating each other. 37% of African American men can also trace their paternal ancestors, their Y-DNA, to European men who impregnated an African American female, most probably in the context of slavery. There is truth in what you say. Origin: Irish; Meaning: "dark, black" Description: Keir is a single-syllable name that packs a lot of punch, might suggest -- thanks to its similarity to the word . What have the IRISH contributed to Louisisanas unique and amalgamated cultural heritage like the Cajuns, Creoles and blacks have?!!!!! could not agree more british took irish men in the 70s and 80s in belfast beat and tortured them the british government was later charged with crimes of humanity by the european courts. Nile of the nine hostages was a bit of a devil. Third, the names come from the Scots-Irish slaveholders. And dont realise you are all from the one race- the human race. Last name: Duffy. Famous OConnors include singer Sinad OConnor, novelist Flannery OConnor, and retired United States Associate Justice of the Supreme Court Sandra Day OConnor. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves. I could be totally wrong on this but its what Ive read when I did my research. My dad is African-American and his last name is Hare. Britains solution was to auction them off as well. Children sent north. Argentina, Mexico, and New Zealand also share in high numbers of Irish descendants. The Africans were considered less than apes, incapable of learning, and the forced inter-breeding with the Irish women was eventually made illegal because it was considered an abomination to force even the least among White women to copulate with an animal. If a planter whipped or branded or beat an Irish slave to death, it was never a crime. The only major distinction was that these slaves were not being exported outside of their continent likened unto cargo as they were in the African Slave trade. Irish slavery is *not* a myth, nor is it a lie. plenty an irish female married black african men. Keir. O'Sullivan 4. Required fields are marked *. These last names chosen were often those of Union soldiers whom were primarily Irish. This fact is recorded in ancient China, Egypt and Mesopotamia. The native Gaelic ODubhdaleithe Sept of County Cork also sometimes anglicized their name as Dudley, as well as the more usual Dowdall. I never heard of Irish chattel slavery until the last few years. There were Irish owners. One man and two kids made it. Early Origins of the Black family. Saying that she believes Ireland - her homeland - is the most enchanting place she has ever been and is passionate about documenting the Emerald Isle. It does not, however, change the fact that the *numbers* of Irish taken and sold into indenturehood or outright slavery in this article are not born out by any factual evidence. Just like her arguing the distinction between different slave treatments. knew their origins. They came as slaves; vast human cargo transported on tall British ships bound for the Americas. (And, yes, it is a fact that that term, indentured servitude, was mostly just used as a polite term for *slightly* less brutal slavery from which there was actually hope of escape.). Were Irish babies sold to another people as black babies were sold to white slave owners? Most blacks who lived on plantations did not have last names. look im from ireland we are not racist people. Also the codification of slavery based on race and as a condition of the mother did not fully take effect until the 1700s. It seems some people are trying to argue as if only black people were ever slaves?? Interesting read. The Irish were hated because they were catholics. From a young age, nomadic parents placed a strong emphasis on education in real experience and the outdoors - a trait which has carried through her life and into her career. This Irish surname is of a prominent Derry sept. Its origin can be traced back to Mac Giolla osa, meaning "son of the devotee of Jesus". #DoesntAddUp. This is a damn sight different than chattel slavery. However, it is likely that they never lost their status as dark invaders or black foreigners. However, there have been many others who suffered in slavery. As I said an Irish female slave mating with an African slave could not transfer his last name because it was the name of a white owner, if an Irish male slave mated with an African slave she would not get his slave name, it would be the property of the white owner, riddle us this??? in 1697 John Locke recommended the whipping of those who refused to work and the herding of beggars into workhouses. In the middle east a milder form of it still exists. The Scots Irish, also known as Scotch Irish (especially in USA) or Ulster Scots (especially in Northern Ireland), are an ethnic group found in the province of Ulster in the north of Ireland Genealogy. Kerry Meaning: "black-haired" "dark-haired" "dark-haired clan" Variations: Keri, Kerri, Kari, Carrie, Cerise, Cherise, Cherri, Cherry I have been enjoying ancestry. Derogatory names for immigrant groups are legion and in the case of those who left Ireland include "Shanty Irish" and almost certainly "Black Irish." The traditional image of Vikings is of pale-skinned blond-haired invaders but their description as "dark foreigners" may lead us to conclude that their memory in folklore does not necessarily reflect their physical description. No Irish Catholic had the right to own land in Ireland. If I had to hazard a guess, Id say familiarity. Indentured servitude was a form of bonded labour, whereby a migrant agreed to work for a set period of time (between two and seven years) and in return the cost of the voyage across the Atlantic was covered. This is a larger issue that could unify people against those who are demonically possessed but still call shots. [5] It is the masculine version of the name Ciara . The more I think about this article, the sadder I become knowing that most of you believe its lies. The term cracker refers to a poor white overseer. The Irish people are native to the island country. we were brought up to fight oppression we refused to fight the mexicans when sent there by americans. and yes we did get it hard from the british in our own homeland of ireland occuppied for years 800 years of rape murder and torture. Who were the black Irish? First of all, the reason for the Civil War was the Confederates secession from the Union. Please do your own research to find out about white slavery in the Americas. II, 1656-1662. Dont hate, this is the game they play against us- the game of colours, divide by colour but I have yet to see a human coloured black or a human coloured white- there is no such thing. Ireland Before You Die is supported by its audience. My ancestors were lucky to survive this part of history. McLoughlin 22. One of the most famous people with the name Campbell is model and actress Naomi Campbell. With an understanding of the Norman invaders and their integration into Irish society, we can deduce that this is, in fact, where the term Black Irish spawned from. He gained his freedom in 7 years and bought land. Enter the time of the Irish Famine or genocide. Rihanna was also bullied for her lighter skin. If you have not already, you need to do some actual genealogical research on your family to see if you are indeed genetically Irish and if so, if that occurred due to your ancestors being enslaved by an Irish family or the Scots-Irish (they both come up on DNA tests as Irish). According to the Central Statistics Office, Murphy is consistently the most prominent surname across Ireland. Sons James Catholic bishop of Pirtland Maine Patrick Jesuit priest who made Georgetown University. Dingle is English but common in Ireland. The Irish were brought over as indentured servants. This article is not stretching the truth, it is flat-out lying to you. However it is thought to refer to invaders throughout Irish history. Father indentured from Ireland mother African slave. It would be the same with people. Think about this; slavery is a serious business and slaves are property like cattle, horses, sheep etc. Amazing people. This seems to be the deniers and minimizes position. People dont make it to age 40 there. If you cant even get that right!!!! Second, how does the Civil War, even if it were just about slavery, diminish the atrocities of slavery, war, and maltreatment of the Irish? If you dont think so then sign over your person to an employer for a while and tell me if that feels like service. Scottish poet and lyricist Robbie Burns is one of the most well-known people called Burns. Was that what drove the slave trade in the last millenia? The Cromwell era, which saw a few thousand Irish servants brought to Barbados, is where most of this false narrative is focusing on. (To the author- great article, well expressed. Keiran is an Irish and Scottish name that literally means black or dark. I Will keep the research going and will write another post that you will love. Rich in history and proud in its Celtic roots, the Irish identity is worn like a badge of honour. A quick review of Irish history reveals that the island was subject to a number of influxes of foreign people. The slave trade was/is not a race issue, its a humanitarian one. From there I started seeing more videos and posts speaking on Irish slavery. Dirst the Spaniards/Portuguese outlawed enslaving Christians long before British had slaves in the Americas. Irish slaves came cheap (no more than 5 Sterling). It is a shallow attempt and more nonsense than anything. While the Irish did not have it good they had much better circumstances than slaves. This is sometimes used to by Irish to distance themselves from the slaveholdinhs in America. Extract from the book, A Journey from Bridgetown to Belfast Famous Dalys include American actress Tyne Daly, television host Carson Daly, and actress and TV personality Tess Daly. There was discrimination and stereotyping of Irish, and there were many Irish supporting the abolition movement, and later solidarity with the civil rights movement. Famous Reids include actress Tara Reid, TV presenter Susanna Reid, and retired American attorney Harry Reid. A less cruel owner with black slaves who do not forget were more valuable, would treat them better than a meaner person with Irish, and visa versa. Her first husband was White and her second husband was Black. Only problem how did the irish slaves keep their names. Posting this post is perpetuating the ideology of white supremacy. When they came to America they where made to take the last name of the slave owner. Subscribe to our mailing list and get interesting stuff and updates to your email inbox. Youll find that most often the enslaved are identified by age and gender only. No.. this is skipped when you learn about politics and English/Irish relationships (IRA was very active at that time), but actually more understandable if only 100yrs before centuries of abuse were stopped.. The Central Statistics Office regularly records Walsh as one of the most common surnames in Ireland. They dont even notice it (MEAN). No, most were poor and fought because their homeland was invaded, and not for some big ideological reason. While plantation owners certainly did rape and father children by enslaved women, many were absentee owners who only visited their plantations seversl times a year, this is especially true in the Caribbean. If they were able to keep their names and their identities, there is no way that Irish people were treated as poorly as African people. Not Wikipedia, or self proclaimed historians with B.S. It didnt GOD made all the races and it was good. Although some of the indigenous people eventually earned their way up in status and they imported slaves from the African slave trade, the overwhelming majority of the oppressed was still the South America natives. But even also his own people as a mere result of the kind of things that happen when the wicked are in rule? It is also fascinating to see that American society changed its caste system from strictly class based to skin based in just a couple of centuries. As an example, the African slave trade was just beginning during this same period. Ben Frankin was indentured for a time to his own cousin. Dougherty Irish. My last name is Dingle. Some of the most common Irish last names are Murphy ( Murchadha in Gaelic), Kelly ( Ceallaigh in Gaelic), OSullivan ( Silleabhin in Gaelic), and Walsh (Breathnach in Gaelic). as we see them as brothers no matter what skin tone you have. good response Gary for putting a Blog into perspective. Quite interesting piece of history here I just had to share with all of you. The Anglo-Saxon offspring he openly acknowledged. Copyright 2019 - 2023 Ireland Before You Die | Trading under, THE BLACK IRISH: Who were they? Irish slaves. The name Gallagher is "O Gallchobhair" which translates as "foreign help." Thats what the bulk of my Irish ancestors really were: Scottish, English, Cornish, etc. Omg. Enough is enough. Located off the western shores of Great Britain, the small island nation packs quite a punch when it comes to its heritage. What I will do is to remind you that GOD gave us all an ability that sets us apart from lower animals and that is the ability to reason, use common sense instead of instinct, as lower animals do. I wish the writer had included some references. Yeah, well done Harrison, first bit I read about James IIs proclamation 8 years before he was even born cracked me up! The terminology is interchangeable, while there are cetainly differences in forms of slavery to say there was none is a tad rich, unless youve been an indentured servant yourself perhaps you know the benefits? Your email address will not be published. How so? Top 100 Irish surnames 1. Disgusting hypocrites and totalitarians, thats what they are. Scot-Irish synonymous with Ulster Scots of partitioned Ireland not natives of Ireland in the recent sense of this discussion. Is Hare an Irish name? Gallagher is one of the most common hereditary surnames in County Mayo. Ireland Before You Die (IB4UD) is the biggest Irish travel and culture website. Africans (Hamites) did not sell their own ppl. If a slave owner named Washington or Jefferson bred an Irish slave with an enslaved African, why would he give the surname of the Irish slave to the offspring? I have to go back and check to see if the word slave is even in it. He said a freed man works for no man. A total of 455,000 Africans out of 12.5 million were brought to America from the 17th century till it stopped in 1820. That has not changed and the enslavement of the poor is as relevant today as it was at any other time in history. Copyright 2019 - 2023 Ireland Before You Die | Trading under, TOP 100 Irish surnames / last names (info & facts). Still, you probably ask your colleague or friend its meaning, and theyre likely to draw a blank. Sisters founded orders if nuns. It might be better to compare them to certain tribes that were all but decimated out would it not? By calling yourself black you are giving your power away. Black people dont think or worry about slavery. American comedian, political commentator, and television host William Maher is one of the most well-known Mahers. 2. THE MYTH OF IRISH SLAVERY is A LIE The tale of the Irish slaves is rooted in a false conflation of indentured servitude and chattel slavery. The way you glossed over this with comments like The settlers began to breed Irish women and girls with African men, as if the African men (and women and children) werent also being raped, and bred with each other and Irish people and slave owners. Maybe this should spoken more of, because Im sure I didnt learn this in my student years. The writer of this article conflates two different things geographical/national origin and skin colour/illusionary race category. The Irish are Iber-ish (Hebrew man) Instead of having to round up the rebellious and often unreliable Irish, the African trade was already packaged and ready for sale. O'Carroll 23. What is the most popular last name in Ireland? Wealthy irish were Protestants who were placed there by England to control and rule the Native population. Just to add the most interesting reference was to Dubhdaleithe adopted in Ireland as a first name according to that link. And the extremely vague, tenuous claims as to how blacks may have acquired Irish or Scottish surnames. Whole towns disappeared into the MIddle East and North Africa as a result. The Iber inhabited Spain/Portugal which they named after themselves, the Iberian Peninsular, they were later chased out by barbarians into a new land they also named after themselves, Hibernia (Literally the land of the Hebrews) which is Ireland.
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