Just consider all your nasty posts about others opinions and learn to attack the argument, not the arguer with insults. Omg so well put! Why would the LAPD destroy the evidence, Patricias sister Arletta and other family members still ask to this day. Yaser Said was arrested Aug. 26 after authorities searched the Justin home. Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports is also available on YouTube, but it costs $1.99 to view (Keith comes off as an advocate for Patricias innocence on the episode). Sticking to a promise he made before the pair pleaded guilty, the Republican governor announced Tuesday that Mark and Patricia McCloskey were among 12 people granted pardons on Friday. They depict scenes which are pure speculation or exaggeration or present scenes, which in fact were only theories mentioned at her trial. Patricia Lynne Rorrer made for a good suspect. Microconidia DNA, as long as the strand is one inch long they can pull the DNA from that. you dont want to fall off and hurt your oversized ego. I noticed that her defense lawyer and others advocating for her is not mentioning more about the gun. First it was winter, cold temperatures preserve bodies for significantly longer periods. Why would somebody tell you, theyre going to fry me, if they didnt do it? Jarrett told Wrong Man. Some two years into the investigation of Rorrer, a court order was obtained to remove hair specimens from her. Did Patricia have the dyed blond hair when they broke up in 1993? All this talk about hairs and other DNA just seems to keep deflecting away from the gun itself. Addressing Patricia Prue, Judge Robert Bent said the sentence of life without parole was "fitting" since she was a full participant in the crime. Youll have to make do with what you see here. The media love the femme fatale., FBI lab blunder. But it doesnt make a nonsense of her being the shooter, regardless of their speculation. Rest in peace Joann and Alex. That's counting the nine bullets you put in Sarah. Dance defense. The police report misspells his name (Troutman) and doesnt include his address, suggesting authorities didnt want anyone to track him down, according to Patricias side. Shes just extremely happy with Andy, her brother, Michael OConnor, told the media. I comment on these forums because they are the only places offering the opportunity to, hopefully, bring awareness to those whore unfamiliar with this case and her unfair plight. Perhaps youre not aware, there was a great deal of evidence of which these documentaries made no mention, as well as misdeeds and incidents of corruption perpetrated by the cops. "So it was relieving to get guilty verdict and get justice for these girls.". Agree with all you say but theres so much more involving incompetence, corruption, evidence tampering and then witnesses, in Rorrers favour, who were not disclosed to her defence her trial (something they were legally obliged to do). Its been going on for almost 31 years, the distraught man explained. I have worked for Interpol for years as a gun analyst, usually women who commit such crimes against their exes wife or mistress, lover etc are pushed from behind by a man and promises and lies. Carter can be reached at ccarter6@gmail.com. I THINK THEY SHOULD REOPEN THIS CASE AND LOOK AT THE HUSBAND JUST SAYING BUT IN MY HEART AND MIND FROM READING ALL THE NOTES AND STUFF PATRICA IS NOT GUILTY AND THEY NEED TO SET HER FREE. WebTexas-born Patricia ("Tissie) Said, formerly of the Owens family, is the mother who lured her two teenage daughters, Sarah and Amina, to their deaths at the hands of their own father Owens said Said made her a weak woman but that those days are over. I think Patricias defenders are implying the hair came from some unknown person. Instead of presenting hard facts, all I see are words and phrases that are purely speculative.. such as perhaps. Every type of cut, bruise etc would heal perfectly in that time. Presumably if they thought the evidence was against the states case, thats how theyd present as theres no obvious reason for them to be biased one way or the other. And because some of Patricias advocates have suggested Andrew Katrinak had a motive for murder, I checked into whether he had a life insurance payout to gain upon Joanns demise. She killed Joann, had a fair and impartial trial, so its time to get over it. Im sure shes innocent adds nothing other than to tell us your state of mind! Lieutenant Christopher Coble and Sergeant Suzanne Pearson would later testify that Patricia cried and apologized to 18-month-old Nicole, telling the baby, Im sorry for doing this to you and lamenting to the officers that she would never see little Nicole again. Great catch. Early in the investigation, the hairs found in the car were sent (in glass slides) to several laboratories including the FBIs. You, however, consider your ill-informed opinion superior to them not only that, you then go to great lengths to belittle them. After relocating to Pennsylvania, Patricia met the 6-foot-2-inch Andrew in a restaurant. Read the crime and public safety news your neighbors are talking about. Your somewhat convoluted explanation of discuss and express opinion, seems to ramble on and on without any logic or reason. Which explains why she made Joann kill the baby, or suffer from the environmental elements. What a contrived case! Above, we have another whos totally clueless, has little or no knowledge of this case, but is happy to display his/her ignorance with a rant based on limited knowledge learned from biased documentaries who thinks that by using offensive and insulting language itll influence those who support Rorrer into changing their opinions. It's been a long three years for them.". If there was more talk about finding this .22 mm gun then that would solve all of this speculation. The trial was taking so much of my time. A lot of these documentaries feature most of the theories suggested by the cops and prosecution which were most damaging to her case, but not a single person to substantiate Rorrers side, or to challenge their versions. The Common Sense Guy you should put yourself on top of the list of deluded people. DNA tests proved the blonde hairs were hers. Even if there were some minor flaws or discrepancies in the investigation, thats normal. As for the words exchanged on the call between the two big-haired women, Joann told Andrew that Patricia had used profanity; Patricia said it was the other way around. Its a video on Utube Judges For Justice featuring her case. Police couldnt determine whether the baby died of exposure or suffocation. New state, new man. This article can also be seen at crimereport.com. RR, Watch the Forensic Files episode on YouTube. So we can just pretend that everyone is honest all of the time? Keep her murdering ass locked up!!! The jury deliberated for three hours after Thursday's closing arguments. I was like OK, maybe she was tired, you know with a new baby. Rorrer killed these two people in cold blood and the jury got it right! Three days later, Joann had plans to pick up her mother-in-law, Veronica Katrinak, to go Christmas shopping. Opinion: the ideas that a person or a group of people have about something or someone, which are based mainly on their feelings and beliefs, or a single idea of this type.. Today, Patricia Lynne Rorrer resides in State Correctional Institute at Muncy, a medium and maximum security facility that has the highest rate of cancer of all prisons in Pennsylvania, according to a story from northcentralpa.com. The difference was made by the investigation, Interpol has some good detectives who do not play with peoples freedom and who do not use American techniques such as pictures, lets compare hair color after pictures bullshit, not even with the performance of todays cameras such a thing is not allowed, the issue of dismantling the alibi only with indirect evidence, like that her name was not in the notebook, a European court would withdrew it immediately, you cant go with a thing like this, its called inconclusive proof, even the fact that one of the witnesses said that the business was not opened where she said it was that day, its inconclusive, the accused can say that he/she forgot, was there and left, and his alibi I dont know how it was verified, but what should been verified first were the contacts between him and her, if he contacted her before that, if she had been contacted from public phone for example before the murder, how many times, when etc, if he was near the places where she was until the murder, things like that. I hope she suffers and goes insane from loneliness. No way they laid there for 4 months!!!! Thats all for this post. And your appraisal of McIntyre is 100% spot on. If I knew I was going to get caught, I never would have brought you into this world, the arresting officers testified they heard her say to Nicole. "As horrible as Ms. Jenkins death was, it should stand for something," Marsicovetere said. Relatives at the time told cops that Yaser threatened bodily harm against Sarah for going on a date with a non-Muslim. If Patricia drove it back from the murder scene after she shot Joann and then beat her to death, luminal would have lit up the interior. And shes were so happy. 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If not, how could Andrew have obtained samples of Patricias hair if they apparently didnt meet up in person after Andrews marriage? Yaser Said was sentenced to life in prison without parole for the murder of his two daughters Amina and Sarah Said in 2008. Thank you, this is a very interesting comment. I would like to tell you that there is many errors in this article, that I would love to send to you the proof of each one. Someone had shot Joann in the face with a .22-caliber pistol, then beaten her about the head hitting her 19 times in all with a blunt object. Ex-boyfriend Walter Blalock said that Patricia wanted him to be more like Andrew. Patricias professional life included short-lived gigs as a Century 21 real estate agent and an Oldsmobile salesperson. The Dallas Morning News revealed that Patricia said, "All I can say is there's going to be justice," after waiting for 12 years of pain of losing her children. I do. You, however seem to have no problem with these hurtful and damaging comments aimed at Rorrer. And your contention that you (me) as ONE person are wrong, let me say that while you seem to be determined in singling me out as someone whos opinion is one against the rest, is hopelessly exaggerated. She hasnt, she didnt get a hard enough sentence. I expect she will admit it one day. Cops under pressure will lie to close a case. You say by definition! she didnt need to . If you want to help her let her find peace by admitting her wrong and asking God for forgiveness. Go watch the Reasonable Doubt episode from last night Patricia did it. While Patricia does not qualify for medical parole, she can still file for executive clemency or compassionate release, which she has already done and which was met with more resistance from Gov. They also found a photo of Patricia taken 11 days before the homicide. Are you even aware theres a strong suspicion that evidence of the hair, which was DNA matched to her, was tampered with? I am reliably informed they took SIX hours, not TWO as stated in my comment. Other loyal friends and associates attested to Patricias kindness toward horses and devotion to her daughter, whom she took along as she worked in stables. They are total bs. And Patricia wasnt all edges. . She only spoke on the phone with him a couple of times a year; when she called that last time, she didnt even know if Andys child was a boy or a girl, and the baby was almost 4 months old. I dont even know its Christmas.. Why would she say that maybe she wasnt really a good friend, just someone trying to inject herself into a super sensational case. From what Ive seen its pretty obvious Patricia did do that to this poor woman and the baby. Anyway, there are thousands of people who differ from that belief, that is why there is so much controversy surrounding this case, and that is why there have been numerous convicted people in the past whove been exonerated on appeal. In a surprise move, Said testified on Monday. His favorite rattle, shaped like a phone, lay near the crime scene. Before receiving her final sentence, Patricia Prue, 35, of Waterford addressed the court saying that her biggest regret was not seeking help for her mental health issues earlier. As for the idiots who didnt think Ms. Rorrer guilty of anything more sordid than having zero taste, the simple fact(s) are that: 1) what they claim about such testing (as was done to the hair) wasexcuse me, IS wrong both due to the follow-up AFTER the mDNA test results were made only proved more concretely that Ms. Rorrer WAS the person the hair came from, 2) the inanity about thinking Andy had something to do with it (the simple fact that ALL investigations START by checking the closest, most immediate relative, i.e, a spouse), was after his being thoroughly vouched, to NOT be in ANY way involved, 3) since this case, forensic science has only improved by huge leaps, and that no one including the courts or the Innocence Project will get involved should make it VERY clear, this case is CLOSED. I think shes guilty for sure. Meanwhile, the case of the missing mother and baby turned into colossal news across the U.S. and internationally. It seems so, according to you. I didnt read anything in this article that convinced me I didnt like that the lab had a bad rep and I do agree the police lie and frame people sometimes so I cant say 100% she did it or not. Patricias accusers theorized that she resented Joanns domestic bliss with the tall, athletic Andrew Katrinak. Unfortunately for Joanne this psycho took it badly. I agree. They would have no reason to protect Andrew and lie on her. The Free Patricia Rorrer page points to a sliver of a fingernail found at the murder site that didnt come from either Patricia or Joann. Unlike most people who stayed on the streets all day, she maintained a neat, attractive appearance, wearing makeup and a dress or skirt each day. Nope. Andrew mentioned to police that his former live-in girlfriend Patricia Rorrer once managed a horse stable two miles from the bodies location and would have been familiar with the riding trails close to the murder scene. DNA testing revealed the blood came from either Joann or her son. I didnt believe it. The Free Patricia Rorrer page responds to comments from supporters (How is this even possible that this woman is still in jail?!? (even though hes married and has a baby) Who does that?!! [emailprotected]. She is right where she belongs for now until she meets satan in the fury of hell. On Aug. 31, 2011, at 11 a.m., Wrights family, the Action Committee for Women in Prison, and the FACTS community and supporters gathered in front of Gov. We didnt expect it. Ive found that in nearly every case, those who are firmly of the opinion shes guilty have an extremely limited knowledge of the case theyve watched one (or perhaps more) of the documentaries which make absolutely no attempt to show anything thats in Rorrers favour (theres plenty, if one bothers to look), and worse, revel in exaggerated and speculative scenes, some of which were never even mentioned at her trial. Despite the fact it has never been proved thats exactly how it happened, it seems to be accepted as fact it could just as possibly have been the other way round, beaten and then shot. Patricia Wrights brother, Larry Wright, 47, and her neighbor, Janet Marcelin, 55, both testified that Patricia Wright and Lawrence Slaughter committed the murder but recanted their testimony after Patricia was sentenced to life without possibility of parole. Further, an early FBI report said the hairs found in the car had no roots which contain the DNA suggesting an evidence switcheroo. I come home one night, and shes just gone, and nobody knows where shes at, Bob Kopta, husband of Patricia Kopta, said at a press conference reported by Pittsburgh Well of course it is, so you overstated your opinion as though you know it to be fact, thus the jury and others were wrong; ironic because youre quick to complain that others are much to sure of *their* opinion shes guilty. Unbloody vehicle. in emerging media and communication from the University of Texas at Dallas and an M.S. Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was fined $2,000, while Mark admitted to misdemeanor fourth-degree It showed her usually all-brown hair haphazardly highlighted blond. ), The Wrong Man investigators Ira Todd and Joe Kennedy have some theories of their own. Patricia Wright is a prisoner in Central California Womens Facilitys Nursing Unit coping with an extraordinary array of challenges. Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? I cant lose them, he told the media. I very much doubt you are. His defense team raised concerns about what they considered a lack of evidence during closing arguments. The organization purports that if there were awards for distorted reporting, the Morning Callwould win high honors.. "Most of the community feels bad for the child To see that in the United States bugs me. Phone records confirmed Patricia placed the earlier call from North Carolina, not Pennsylvania. I can only suggest you read through my comments again, only more thoroughly. 5 years prior to all this happening! Nataly is the lead writer on Curious Texas and a breaking news reporter. As for the murder weapon, police didnt find a .22 caliber pistol on Patricias property, but an ex-boyfriend claimed that she owned one and it would always jam after one shot. "You knew how the abduction would end," Bent said. If you look at the crime scene picture, only parts of the mother seem preserved. There was a blood-stained fingernail and hair found on the victims body, and even though (in Keith Morrisons Dateline documentary) the Asst. Discuss and express opinion; stop short of asserting that those of the other view (that of judge and jury, at least) are ignorant of facts and wrong, and youre right, because by definition its reasonable for lay people to accept the jury verdict. The LAPD alleged that Patricias motive was to get Jeromes insurance money, which had a value of $30,000. The missing hairs probably got destroyed in testing.. thats how they test them.. and reports are wrong all the time. That is not just a circumstantial case, that is both circumstantial and forensic, and it is pretty air tight. In a million years, she wouldnt do anything to harm that.. I dont understand Partricias defenders pointing to Andrew with the dyed blond hair found at the car and murder scene. Im quite happy to accept that ANYONE who makes a TV documentary makes it for money. Her mother, Patricia Chambers, provided day care for their baby son, Charles. That did amuse me I have to say, but youre way off target there Im more than happy with my state of mind before and after reading any of these comments. Justice is about uncovering the truth. Patricia Kopta eventually developed dementia, police said. Phone records dont lie.) Am I supposed to believe that she was still so enraged a week later, that she drove almost 10 hours, in a conspicuous van with a bad U-joint, to kill this woman and her baby? However, that first theory very neatly allows the cops to further theorise that the gun she once owned (which had a history of jamming after the first shot) was the one used at the murder. Joanne wouldnt have fought back as she was shot therefore almost immediately incapacitating her and was holding her son. What a lame article. According to court documents, Yassein and Islam Said had been communicating with Yaser Said since Jan. 1, 2008, to help him evade capture. The hearing of the motion for reduction of felony to misdemeanor will be held Tuesday, Oct. 11, at 1:30 p.m. in the Riverside Courthouse at 4050 Main St. in Department 42. She is a tough one, Sheriff Gerald Hege would later tell the Morning Call in a June 29, 1997 interview. After reading this forum and hearing the details of this case, Iowa sure seems a lot fairer in my eyes. I happen to be one of those deluded people youre so freely attempting to insult. The real killer is Rorrer! This article seems to have a great many errors and omissions, more by design, I fancy, than a need to tell the story objectively. According to the Charley Project, a missing persons database named after Charles Brewster Charley Ross, one of the first Americans kidnapped for a ransom in the nations history, Patricia Kopta went missing in June 1992 and was reported missing in November 1992. Wright desires to live her last days with her five children and six grandchildren, was in the statement as well. And yikes, he discovered someone had cut one of the houses phone lines and pried the hinge on the basement door. I decided to take the toys and hide them so my mother wouldnt see them, said Alfey, who is now 29 years old. As to her duration on death row, no: inference cannot be made as to her guilt as theres a woman with about the same time (Holberg) and another with almost as much. And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. At that time he was living in Connecticut. Women like Barbara Stager who killed her husband in Durham NC. He would be alive today if it were not for Patricia Rorrer. The mild-mannered Sarah died in 2019 at the age of 83. You know the answer to that, the same as I do, which is. Lead Prosecutor Lauren Black called Said a true narcissist who believed he was smarter than everybody else. "It's been a long time coming for the family and the community," Warren said. If they were unable to get a DNA reading the first time, why the need for a second examination? In 2016, Oklahoma police arrested the mother, Patricia Spann, now 44, and her 26-year-old daughter, Misty Velvet Dawn Spann, charging both of them with incest. The fat cow is guilty as hell and I hope she continues to have the shit kicked out of her in prison every day of her useless life. 2023 www.burlingtonfreepress.com. The Innocence Project has declined to take her case. Animals would have for sure. Shame on your for defending a vicious killer. Yaser Abdel Said, 65, was found guilty of the 2008 capital murders of his daughters, Sarah Said, 17, and Amina Said, 18, according to the Dallas Morning News. Andrew described his existence with Joanne and Alex as a little Camelot., Ex-spouse off list. THE COPS SET HER UP. Patricia Rorrer has been portrayed as a bully, petty thief, neglectful horse owner, and heartless killer or a sweet, caring friend railroaded by authorities desperate to solve a double-murder case that snagged worldwide interest. Janet Marcelin, a business owner, said the police had her rehearse and record a fake confession after intimidating and harassing her during the investigation. Testimony from Walter Blalock contradicted Patricias claim that she never had a gun. My biggest issue is the day the phone call came in, and the fact that the prosecutor deliberately misrepresented the facts. It makes me sick. Advocates for her innocence complain of hype surrounding the case. Keep in mind that 34 hairs are in custody of the state police, so where are the other 4 hairs? Yaser Said had been on the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list since 2014 in connection with the fatal shootings of his daughters, 18-year-old Amina Said and 17-year-old Sarah Said, on New Years Day 2008. Shes where she belongs in prison for the rest of her life. That poor child and that poor woman. Jenkins' violent death shocked residents of the Northeast Kingdom, including Gerta Blasczyk of St. Johnsbury. Great communicator. She hadn't lived long enough.". The defense argued that the 911 call is not clear and that Said was targeted by investigators because he is a Muslim. Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty Thursday to misdemeanor harassment and was fined $2,000. The state made a case fueled by circumstantial evidence and public outrage over the deaths of a modern-day madonna and child. PS Speculative lies is meaningless. I have to wake up every morning with the freedom that God gave me knowing that my sister is incarcerated for life and that my lies put her there, Larry wrote in a letter to the LAPD after he had been freed. A few fries short of a Happy Meal, that one. Another witness, Walter Traupman, who never testified, had told state troopers that on the day of Joanns disappearance, he saw a couple who looked like Joann and Andrew arguing about the paternity of a baby. She had a history of violence over men, and she had access to the dump site from frequent visits.
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