No Per Diem. Sounds like the flights will be mostly out and back the same day, to save $$$ on per diem/ hotel costs. I suppose you're also going to apply the company town line to the internships that MIcrosoft, Google, and many other corporations have going for aspiring developers. Disappointed but not surprised. While perhaps not quite as controversial, Breezes approach to hiring pilots is also raising some eyebrows, as flagged by @StringAndRuder and @AirlineFlyer. Its schedule, price, loyalty program. We are seeing a rapid deployment of apps and self-service kiosks to replace human workforce that don't bring $15 an hour value. Get real. I sure appreciate it. Get some help. I will make $15-20 per hour for my hard work on average when you figure all the work we do for free. My regional got dumped by United and now Im at another regional at the bottom of a seniority list making way less money with bad work rules flying the same tail numbers I did before. The airline should do fine, at least up to a certain scale. What we have here is an attempt to hornswoggle naive, inexperienced workers by adding a meaningless term to an employment contract. It's silly to ape outrage when we don't know a lot of the details of the actual work and schedule. Sorry @john S. my comment was for @Monty C. -. Captains will be paid $117 per hour in year one, and $143 per hour in year six 100% Upvoted. This page was updated on October 13, 2022 (Quicktake, Payscales, Fleet). Lets compare Breezes pilot pay to that of a couple of other airlines: Heres JetBlues Embraer 190 pilot pay scale: JetBlue Embraer 190 pilots get paid way more. They paid $3.50 an hour. No guests. Maybe it really is a part-time gig and would be a good fit for a great many people. He learned his trade at the knee of Mitt Romney. I wish you luck in you career and travels. Add to that COVID and these poor guys will have NO CHOICE but to fly for these asshats. Im glad to see youre excited to join the industry. Yes, I'm probably talking about you dummy. Seems like they could be taking advantage of this particular moment in time, and the situation the industry is in. Copyright 2005-2023 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. It gets so tiresome. Not if you wanted good work done. Of course this wont last as the market rebounds, but the die will have been cast for what they think of their employees. Yes, they are using and abusing us. I think the best way for this airline to implement their business model is to pay for its pilots training from 0 hrs to 1500 hrs and then these pilots can work for them at their pay scale that will make more sense. An initial slate of 39 routes across 16. If not enough apply because the pay is too low, then the company can decide if they want to raise their pay. Great article !!! I interviewed at Breeze a few months back. FAs are there for your safety: The younger the FA, the stronger they are. Thread starter aisleguy; Start date Mar 22, 2022; A. aisleguy Well-Known Member. Or maybe the extension to San Francisco's Oakland Bay Bridge, built entirely in China, shipped across the ocean in pieces, and bolted together by 100% American union labor for a living wage. Our point-to-point network means no connections for an easier, quicker and nicer journey. Wonder what theyll pay their mechanics and pilots??? I'm a flight attendant for JetBlue Airways and I make $56 per hour, that is, after 15 years but still. And that doesn't include per diem. Makes sense, and given right now there is a surplus of supply of pilots in the market they are able to lower wages to increase profits and thus be more likely to succeed. Sure, theres the free market, but this also seems borderline exploitative. And many of the commenters on here will fill seats when UA is 5x the price on the same route regardless of what they think of labor rights or real college education. It may be time to consider this for FAs too. Need to use the Robinhood model where PAX fly free or get paid to fly, in exchange for all of their data / information which can be sold for revenue generation. Partying and hanging out with friends is what college students are supposed to be doing. Right now I believe there are more pilots than are needed. of Labor requires that to classify a worker as an intern, the intern has to be the primary beneficiary of the position, not the company. It's exactly what I have been saying for years. I think they are going Myrtle Beach Direct Air style. Well, there are some more details about how this will work. Why are we encouraging a race to the bottom? Let's ask Don Burr how his cult airline worked out? It's funny, isn't it the view of things changes upon where you're standing. Some will likely say that Breeze Airways proposed pilot pay is the free market at work, with so many pilots furloughed or laid off. 2) Free Travel! And Coke Zero, make it a large. Given that long haul truckers can make that and more, with additional signing bonuses, you must really love to fly and be desperate. Wow, what a depressing indicator of the state of our society with an emptied out middle class that flight attendants are being hired at poverty wages and worthless online "tuition credits.". They both seem to have similar business models, but SW has really gotten expensive in some markets these past few years. Housing and travel to/from work provided. New airline Breeze Airways releases hourly wage numbers. I interviewed at Breeze a few months back. Even if it flies at first, at some point of growth, you won't be able to justify career training. PEOPLExpress anyone? *The whole Home Monthly is based on operational needs and must be scheduled 3 weeks prior. Can the U.S. not have just one decent, heck even mediocre, airline? Not everyone is born into wealth and that could be one of the deciding factors for people to apply. Don't forget that for a person to be a doctor capable for surgery they need to have completed medical school, but for someone to be a flight attendant they only need a GED. How innovative. Nah man, cars suck. I already feel bad for the disadvantaged kids that will end up getting wrangled into this to help pay for a couple semesters of college. It gets so tiresome. 5) I will meet many travelers and may be able to network my way into other opportunities when I graduate. It sounds to me like I am reading a history book about people who had to work in company housing, buying at the company store - another day older and deeper in debt. How far can this avalanche go where the top 1% get ever greater portions of the wealth, while the rest, well we dont think about them. Flew my 4day trip and took a Delta flight departing at 12:25am to MSP and connected to MDW. Do they add up for you? The estimated hourly pay at Breeze Airways ranges from approximately $11.82 per hour for Software Engineer Intern to $167 per hour for Captain. There is not a lot to do these days in an aircraft cabin. AFTER 4 YEARS YOUR CONTRACT IS OVER AND CANNOT BE RENEWED. I'm sure Breeze will find plenty of young, naive college students who sign up for this, not realizing what they are getting themselves into. I wish more airlines provided housing options. I have no doubts in my mind that they'll increase it in time, but they need a few years of profitability under their belt first so they can justifiably offer higher hours/pay. Don't knock it - they may be seeing how they can yield sufficient FA's before they go a different route entirely. Actual flight time? Many young girls and guys want to be a flight attendant from 20-65 or older. First officers will be paid $55 per hour in year one, and $94 per hour in year six Captains will be paid $117 per hour in year one, and $143 per hour in year six Pilots are only guaranteed pay for 55 hours per month of flying (this is really the worst part, since pilots at most airlines are guaranteed 75+ hours per month), First officers will be paid $55 per hour in year one, and $94 per hour in year six This is Slave wages but should we be surprised this is coming from the same CEO that says Masks are for Morons so all the hard working front line workers that have lost their lives that were wearing masks trying to save folks lives.His mouth has spoken and I have listened on how I will spend my airline travel dollars and it wont be on Breeze. Never found out what would happen if you fall below 3.0. In fact, the concept seems brilliant and hope I make it through the process and get selected. Wasn't aware of breeze low pay scale. Barracks or proper housing and will the company take it out of their paycheque? It's official: Breeze is no different from any other creepy Mormon MLM scheme. Fares are still way to high in the industry. I think these "internships" are not meant for people looking at a career as a flight attendant, but rather college age kids looking for a unique experience. I have no doubts in How often is the minimum guaranteed hours exceeded in a given month? . Every job would hire people at less than half pay and call them interns if they could get away with it. No Per Diem. This would be less cringey if there would be incentives for the flight attendants to move into positions such as pilots or air traffic control. Can you imagine just getting a text message your flight is canceled and you're rescheduled for 2 days laterand you can't call anyone to change it? Someone has the verb and the noun meanings of intern confused. Thanks for being transparent that these comments are nearly all from a union organizing push before the airline even launches. Breeze has promised to pay flight attendants a fixed monthly rate of $1,200, alongside an annual bursary of $6,000 and free shared company accommodation. Schmucks! Split a very inexpensive room with one or two others and have a fun time. All applicants are required to have at least 1,500 total hours with 1,000 hours of. This business model shows that there is still tremendous opportunity to drive down wring out costs in flying. Not Verified | Breeze is an interesting new airline with pros and cons. This wage is above the federal minimum wage, includes housing and a $6k tuition credit. They can't profitably or even just realistically offer higher minimums than that at this point because they won't have the volume of flights. 3.Enough may feel that this is just fine for 1-2 years. I expect a complete unbundling a la Spirit but with a much wider, more attractive range of upgrade interests for passengers. Guess which days you're going to be working? With the A220 entering service in early 2022, the company will rapidly expand its network throughout the US and beyond, creating new base opportunities, very attractive lines of flying, very quick upgrades, and excellent quality of life. Interesting, @EMBCAPTN. Pros - quick getting on plane and sitting down, a few empty seats, very fast getting luggage back to you Cons - You have to pay extra for any seat you choose. The article also fails to factor in per diem amounts and the tax advantage that goes with that. Your feedback is important in helping us keep our community safe. I suspect the *average* monthly paid hours across the whole year will be a lot higher. I hope he's prepared to pay pilots a real premium, otherwise why go to a startup when the legacies will be hiring big-time. So, that will be difficult. I wish more airlines provided housing options. I wonder if their First Class will have free food and drinks (like JetBlue) or if they're taking the Spirit Big Front Seat approach. Its all about price. Sounds pretty abysmal. The estimated base pay is $3,842 per month. Is Breeze Airways pilot pay unreasonable? Oh, and first crew base is MYR. This says to me that the quality of pilot they will be recruiting will be far from the best and hence, an airline to swerve. $1,200/mo if you have 15 days off and $1,400/mo if only 10. I'm glad to see you're excited to join the industry. The sharpest students looking for a college education do not choose online learning only from a second-tier state school. Thats exactly what I got from reading the article.. Hello Travis and thank you for the advice. Spent $50 at the Vagabond motel next to the airport. Being paid $1200 a month automatically means that these FAs will have to be going to school as required AND probably working a second job to make ends meet. Nice. What does the department of labor think about this? This is not to fault or say any of my peers who's airlines have gone defunct (through no doing of their own) are underskilled pilots - they are well seasoned vets of an industry that was finally recovering from 9/11, the recession, age 65 rule and now COVID. Seems oppressive, so they wont be seeing my business. They can earn $40,000-$60,000 a year, cut you open, and often perform your entire surgery under the direct and indirect supervision of attending physicians, who are more experienced and make more like $350,000 to $700,000 a year. Almost every airline has it in the @Samuel - Housing is a big plus and at Breeze it is included. Also: are families welcome?
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