(Elder Bruce R. McConkie Mormon Doctrine Lecture, #2, Brigham Young University, 1967.). (p. 273). T F Once a spirit enters Outer Darkness, there will be no leaving there. Well thats wrapped up as long as no other prophets said oh. Christ brings to pass the resurrection of all menThe righteous dead go to paradise and the wicked to outer darkness to await the day of their resurrectionAll things will be restored to their proper and perfect frame in the Resurrection. In short, Outer Darkness is eternal torture. The ex-mortal sons of perdition will be resurrected, as will everyone else; but they will finally suffer the second death, the spiritual death, for they are cut off again as to things pertaining to righteousness. (Hel. We will, however, address some of the portrayals of other LDS beliefs and practices that were depicted in this episode. Samuel also confirms the relationship John spoke of between the second death and the wicked being cast into fire, but he adds this explanatory clause: For they are cut off again as to things pertaining to righteousness.. Thus, the only mortals who can possibly become sons of perdition must be Latter-day Saints who fall/fell away. 8:13). This is a place very close in nature to the biblical hell. The third use occurs in the parable of the talents: "And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 25:30). First of all, to become a son of perdition, you need to have been baptized into the church, then turned from the religion in order to fight against it, all the while knowing it is true. Jesus also referred to outer darkness in two parables he gave during the last week of his life. The Book of Mormon text confirms the truth of New Testament teachings on hell, second death, lake of fire and brimstone, and outer darkness. 1:18). Lets go to modern revelation: that there would be no daughters of perdition. Joseph F. Smith Stan Larsen, ed., A Ministry of Meetings: The Diaries of Rudger Clawson, (Salt Lake City, Utah: Smith Associates and Signature Books, 1993) p. 560, Somebody called me up on the telephone and asked if there were daughters of perdition. What is the Book of Mormons contribution to our understanding of the New Testaments teachings concerning hell, or that lake of fire John calls the second death (Rev. Often in the scriptures it is difficult to discern which helltemporary or permanentis being spoken of, since many references to hell in the scriptures are used in a nonspecific manner to simply designate a place or state of suffering for the wicked. . Also God says no one knows in scripture, so stop asking; but He also said in scripture that He upbraideth not those who have questions and if you ask it shall be opened unto you. The Book of Mormon contains six references to the second death: one reference by Jacob (Jacob 3:11), three by Alma (Alma 12:16, 32; 13:30), and two by Samuel the Lamanite (Hel. Your email address will not be published. Thirty-three times it stands alone, without modifiers or explanation of what it means, as in And thus we see the end of him who perverteth the ways of the Lord; and thus we see that the devil will not support his children at the last day, but doth speedily drag them down to hell (Alma 30:60). ", Learn how and when to remove this template message, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Outer_darkness&oldid=1136269337, This page was last edited on 29 January 2023, at 15:14. Smith told a general conference audience: I think I am safe in saying that no man can become a Son of Perdition until he has known the light. So lets turn to that bastion of all wisdom that Jeremy Runnells was blamed for not believing and turning to with questions: FAIRMormon: The church has no official position on this issue. (2) We believe in allowing our candles to burn for a maximum of four hours at a time. That being said, I don't think it really matters at the end of the day, because if it is all real, I want to stay clear away from anyone who the Church says deserves the Celestial Kingdom. It is true that the only mortals who had once been members are eligible to become sons of perdition, a fact that may worry some former Mormons who wonder if they might be destined for outer darkness. Nephis commentary to his brothers concerning his fathers dream of the tree of life adds interesting insight into the possible meaning of the great gulf Jesus referred to: And I said unto them that it was an awful gulf, which separated the wicked from the tree of life, and also from the saints of God. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. A lot of people wanted a source on that. Therefore, they have drunk out of the cup of the wrath of God, which justice could no more deny unto them than it could deny that Adam should fall because of his partaking of the forbidden fruit; therefore, mercy could have claim on them no more forever. Delving into the interesting bits about any religion to stem from Joseph Smith Jr. Joseph F. Smith,The Second Death,inBrian H. Stuy (editor). Yea, behold, this death bringeth to pass the resurrection, and redeemeth all mankind from the first deaththat spiritual death; for all mankind, by the fall of Adam being cut off from the presence of the Lord, are considered as dead, both as to things temporal and to things spiritual. (Joseph F. Smith,The Second Death,inBrian H. Stuy (editor), Collected Discourses: Delivered by Wilford Woodruff, his two counselors, the twelve apostles, and others, 18681898, 5 vols., (Woodland Hills, Utah: B.H.S. He wrote: But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death (Rev. The first death is physical death, and everyone but the devil and his angels will overcome physical death through Resurrection. The first example would be spirits from the preexistence who sided with Lucifer rather than Jesus at the Council in Heavenwhere it was decided who would become the Savior of the World. The second death is a second separation from God, not because of Adams transgression (the first death) but because of ones own failure to repent of personal sin. And I said unto them that our father also saw that the justice of God did also divide the wicked from the righteous; and the brightness thereof was like unto the brightness of a flaming fire, which ascendeth up unto God forever and ever, and hath no end (1 Ne. 13:42), the fire that never shall be quenched (Mark 9:45), where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched (Mark 9:48), and cast into the fire (Luke 3:9). Are the devils before the world created sons of perdition? In Mormonism, it depends. 9:1012, 1516). That Satan rebelled against Christ and God the Father and was cast out with all of Satans followers and will not receive a body. Alma 40. Here is one more thing to think about: I work full time with a Christian ministry aimed at converting Mormons. Banishment from the presence of God. But Mormons do not believe that just because a Prophet said it, that it makes it true. But unofficial prophets speaking at BYU or in their own books say no, except Brigham in the Journal of Discourses which is unofficial. 25:30). Here, like John and Samuel, Alma equated the second death with the lake of fire and brimstone. (You are not one of those spirits since you have a mortal body.). [1] The pains of hell can also be experienced in mortality (Jacob 3:11). While this is true, please define Mormon Doctrine before saying I did not quote Mormon Doctrine. As explained in D&C 88:11-13: Both Luther, who taught soul sleep till the resurrection of the dead, and Calvin, who taught the immortal soul, considered the "outer darkness" references in Matthew to refer to the last judgment. In Mormonism, it depends. For most, outer darkness, the lake of fire, and the second death have an end, but for the sons of perdition these states continue eternally. At the end of the twenty years, the knife would be withdrawn and again stabbed into us, with the resulting excruciating pain lasting another twenty years; this process would then be repeated for all eternity. These spirits never received a mortal body necessary to progress to a kingdom of glory. That ought to bring a sigh of relief to many who are reading this article! Those mortals who never join the LDS Church (through baptism) cannot become sons of perdition. Thank you! So there you go, the souls who end up in Outer Darkness are clearly apostates, or not. Dennis L. Largey, Hell Second Death, Lake of Fire and Brimstone, and Outer Darkness, inThe Book of Mormon and the Message of the Four Gospels, ed. However, based on the teaching of church leaders, I believe it is utterly impossible for any mortal to become this despised son of perdition. - Wilford Woodruff in a meeting with the apostles, 1893 D. Michael Quinn, The Mormon Hierarchy: Extensions of Power (Salt Lake City, Utah: Signature Books, 1997) p. 795. . The Book of Mormon provides another testament of the reality of a designated place called hell, where the wicked are consigned. Italics in original). Their theology was turned upside down! In The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church), a son of perdition is a person who will not take part in the glory of God in the afterlife. This is the final destination of Satan himself. For behold, he surely must die that salvation may come; yea, it behooveth him and becometh expedient that he dieth, to bring to pass the resurrection of the dead, that thereby men may be brought into the presence of the Lord. 3. The followers of Satan who will suffer with him in eternity. This is a Son of perdition. What is the Mormon plan of salvation? For example, Alma the Younger was delivered from the intensity of his hellish pain when he cried to the Lord for mercy. He was not ignorant, and therefore he became perdition, and they who followed him were sons of perdition, because he and they sinned knowingly. That last part of the previous sentence is very important. Ball (Provo, UT: Religious Studies Center, Brigham Young University, 2001), 7789. Everyone is already going to the terrestrial kingdom by default. Thus ensued the War in Heaven, which resulted in Satan and his followers being cast out of heaven and denied the opportunity of receiving a physical body. The Plan of Salvation kind of negates the reason for missionary work. To the Church in Smyrna the Apostle John wrote: He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death (Rev. In this state of torment Alma remembered his fathers teachings about Jesus Christ and his redemptive mission. In the teachings of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church), "outer darkness" has two separate meanings.. We believe that after the final judgment there are four places to which a person may be sent. Mormons believe that a majority of people on this Earth will go to one of these three heavens. The second death is spiritual and is separation from God. 801-422-6975. A church manual reports, To become a son of perdition one must sin against the Holy Ghost, but before that is possible, one must receive the gift of the Holy Ghost (Doctrine and Covenants Student Manual Religion 324 and 325, 2001, p. 161). Doctrine and Covenants / Pearl of Great Price, Mormon Objections to Christian Evangelism, Teachings of the Presidents of the Church, Why Practically NobodyIncluding You, Former MormonWill Ever End up In Outer Darkness, Divine Love in the Fathers Plan (Dallin H. Oaks, April 2022). Mormon Wiki, for example has a pretty specific definition of who doesnt go there but lacks any citations: Sons of Perdition as those few souls who have been born on this earth who have been made partakers of Gods power, yet suffered themselves through the power of the devil to be overcome, and to deny the truth and defy God by denying the Holy Spirit after having received it, denying the Only Begotten Son and put him to an open shame. They openly and knowingly fight against God and Christ, having sided with Satan even though they had once tasted of full gospel knowledge by the power of the Holy Ghost.There are those who fear that they have committed the unpardonable sin, because they have not been faithful members of the Church. At the same time, prophets and apostles have taught that you can be sent to outer darkness for simply disbelieving or for apostasy or for being a part of a religion that doesn't have apostles. 12:22). Making the LDS Church Slightly Better: A Members Wish List. If their Prophet wrote in a journal, or said to someone in passing, or gave a talk a local school saying that, Eating toast without butter is a sin worthy of hell! that does not make it a Mormon Doctrine. . The extent of this punishment none will ever know except those who partake of it. One example would not be human since they were cast out of heaven with Satan before they could receive a body. Conclusion spirit prison. Whether Christians have believed hell to be literal or figurative, the New Testament metaphor of an unquenchable lake of fire has conjured up for believers in the Bible harsh images of souls consigned to never-ending punishment as recompense for their evil deeds done while on earth. See Michael Hicks, Joseph Smith, W.W. Phelps, and the Poetic Paraphrase of The Vision, Journal of Mormon History 20 (Fall 1994) 2: 63-84 for discussion of authorship of this poem.). I said: I dont know and he said, How can I find outI just called Spencer Kimball and he told me he didnt know either. Other sources used in composing this topic: http://en.fairmormon.org/Plan_of_salvation/Sons_of_Perdition/Can_women_be_%22Sons_of_Perdition%22, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_darkness#Usage_in_the_Latter_Day_Saint_movement, http://en.fairmormon.org/Plan_of_salvation/Sons_of_Perdition/Eventual_fate, http://emp.byui.edu/satterfieldb/quotes/Sons%20of%20Perdition.htm. Banishment from the joys of heaven. So, if you are directly listing to Satan, like Cain, and actively turning away from God, like Cain, then you can become a Son of Perdition. Think along the lines of a religious leader serving God but the opposite. By taking 2 Nephi 2:25 to its logical conclusion, we learn that Satan also fell that men might be, and that they might have joy! It also teaches that the Atonement ransoms humankind from physical death through the resurrection and from spiritual death, or hell, through repentance. Thank you! 18:8), hell fire (Matt. Clearly fire is used as a metaphor for sufferingnot a literal fire but a state of misery. Jesus warned that those who mocked their brothers by saying Thou fool were in danger of hell fire (Matt. One of the messages of the Book of Mormon is that people sometimes lose the desire to repent. Jesus declared that this exalted city would be brought down to hell (Matt. First, LDS Church scripture uses the term outer darkness to refer to a condition in the spirit world. 9:16) after the final judgment. The filthy would be more miserable to dwell with God than to dwell in hell, Morm. He also said,I think I am safe in saying that no man can become a Son of Perdition until he has known the light. Also, the whole thing about Daughters of Perdition. [3]. Sons of Perdition are to be cast out with the devil and his angels into outer darkness. 20:13). Is Jesus the Only Redeemer? Outer Darkness - Social Hall - Mormon Dialogue & Discussion Board. J. Reuben Clark, Jr., Church Leaders and the Scriptures, [original title When Are the Writings or Sermons of Church Leaders Entitled to the Claim of Scripture?] Immortality and Eternal Life: Reflections from the Writings and Messages of President J. Reuben Clark, Jr., Vol, 2, (1969-70): 221; address to Seminary and Institute Teachers, BYU (7 July 1954); reproduced in Church News (31 July 1954); also reprinted in Dialogue 12/2 (Summer 1979): 6881. lift[ed] up his eyes and saw Abraham and Lazarus across an impassable gulf (Luke 16:23). 9:16; emphasis added). . This isnt something like going out and breaking their rule of no drinking. Outer darkness is a eternal place of torment reserved for those who are sons of perdition. According to LDS scripture, this will be a place that where there is weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth (Doctrine and Covenants 101:91; also see 133:73). . Severe punishment for eternity, reserved for Satan and his demons as well as the sons of perdition, those humans who once embraced Mormonism and left to fight against the faith, even though they knew Mormonism was true. The Book of Mormon discusses with great clarity the ultimate punishment reserved exclusively for the sons of perdition, or those who are filthy still (2 Ne. 8:17), and endless hell (Moro. They place themselves beyond the power of repentance and beyond the mercies of God. Which means that really, no one knows anything about this. Sons of perdition include (1) those who followed Satan and were cast out of heaven for rebellion during premortality and (2) those who were permitted to be born to this world with physical bodies but then served Satan and turned utterly against God. Bold and italics in original). Everyone but the Sons of Perdition and the devil and his devils, will overcome spiritual death through the Atonement of Jesus Christ. Smith taught: The sons of perdition are those who have had a knowledge of the truth, have known that Jesus Christ was the Son of God, have had the testimony of the Spirit of the Lord, the Holy Ghost, and these things have all been revealed so that they know they are true; and then they turn against them and fight them knowingly. (The Miracle of Forgiveness, p. 125). Concerning the first resurrection John observed: Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years (Rev. 2:11). outer darkness. The term second death refers to spiritual death or separation from God. These men and women cannot be redeemed, and will be the only ones who will suffer the second death. Jacob identified death and hell as temporal and spiritual death. And since we know that prophets speaking define it, this is the definition we should use. I was taught that to be condemned to outer darkness you would have to deny Christ to his very face and that could occur . Just one sin. To become a son of perdition one must sin against the Holy Ghost, but before that is possible, one must receive the gift of the Holy Ghost (Doctrine and Covenants Student Manual Religion 324 and 325, 2001, p. 161). As Joseph Fielding Smith put it, those mortals who fit into this nebulous category of sons of perdition will suffer permanently while the worst of the worst sinners will suffer only temporarily before receiving a kingdom of glory. This extreme punishment will not be given to any but the sons of perdition. So why dont we get outer darkness too? Italics in original). These pains are similar to the state of suffering experienced by the ungodly who after mortality are assigned to hell. You are taking quotes that are not Mormon Doctrine. Any person who inherits one of the . In the parable of the wedding of the kings son, the king discovered that a guest was not properly attired in the required wedding garment, i.e., righteousness. Sons of perdition include (1) those who followed Satan and were cast out of heaven for rebellion during premortality and (2) those who were permitted to be born to this world with physical bodies but then served Satan and turned utterly against God.
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