Would love to hear if anyone remembers the Wallace family! What Damer said about community could also be said about officialdom for they too can be victims of circumstance whenever decisions for the better do not influence policies for the worse. Photos: Splash News. I remember on Sunday mornings being taken with my sister, Elizabeth, on a No. I worked in Fairfields in the seventies, does anyone remember the name of the bike shop at the Linthouse end beside the roundabout. Related Pages. Much later, after years of drink and drugs abuse, I thought about all the time I had wasted and I realised that if I was going to seriously change my life than I had to reeducate myself into a new way of thinking Lots of memories too many to say here. The Moorepark area is served by Ibrox subway station on the Glasgow Subway system,[15] which is located on the corner of Copland Road and Woodville Street. Hi Catherine, I also lived at 100 Harmony Row and also live in Canada. I remember the days my sister and I would take part in the fair while we were in a dancing school, which was named Thompsons. Creeaz un cont nou. I used to know a Maureen Murray who lived about there she would be about 72 now. Glasgow Braendam Link, aims to support, empower and enable all those involved in the partnership to gain more control of their lives by encouraging self-belief, growth and development. 'Wine Alley', Govan Pop: 10,875 (whole ward) Problems: Mainly drug-related crime. Used to spend all summer there paying in twice, having to queue up for second swim with towel around yourself sometimes freezing and having to wait in line. I lived in Elderpark Street and the Wine Alley. Napier's Shipyard in Govan was later acquired by William Beardmore and Company in 1876 and incorporated into William Beardmore and Company in around 1900. The partnership works by: Gran was Annie Murphy but her dad died when she was 4 and her mother remarried John Johnston and went on to have a huge number of children - and as we research the family, we keep finding more. Classification Housing Estate (Modern) Alternative Name (s) Moorpark Housing Estate; 'wine Alley'. I believe that the buiding was demolished due to a structural problem that would not be able to be easily remedied. Water was always roasting hot and bath was very deep used to spend hours in it; and who can forget the carbolic soap!!! The authorities plan for the scheme started going wrong when they decided (without consulting the locals who lived in Govan) to house it mainly with outsiders or people who came from areas other than Govan. I went to Broomloan Rd nursery then the school. I grew up in Govan from 1946 to 1957 in Wick St. My family moved from North Uist to Govan to find work as did many others. You Wine Alley Govan Team were shite begs. 4, Soon, the housing scheme had a bad name. They were followed there and back by a second surveillance team and the vehicle stopped near Ibrox. The local hire firm in Govan wasn't aware that their customer was a drug dealer. My husband also comes from Govan. I remember one time, my big brother hiding in the midden under all the ashes, when I went down three stories to empty the fire ashes. Govan is served by community radio station Sunny Govan, broadcasting on 103.5FM to the city of Glasgow and surrounding districts, discussing local issues and providing advice, and with diverse musical output covering soul, hip-hop and reggae. In 1885, the yard moved further west to its present site and was reorganised as the Fairfield Shipbuilding and Engineering Company Ltd. Conecteaz-te. [21], The area has had a reputation for deprivation and poverty, partly due to the construction of housing estates in the 1930s to relieve the overcrowded slum district of The Gorbals, Glasgow. However, the local paper still remained hostile, hypocritical, and unhelpful about the whole idea. Little did we no that years later I would be living above that very shop. They also discovered in the early days that one gang member was driving about in hired cars. Nobody like them in the World. Portrait of a Lady by Esme Clark. Poor Man, he said to my Mother, "the way she's trying to kick me I think her hips are fine". We lived in a low-down coal-fire heated home at 9 Lettoch Street and we only ever moved once and that was to the house directly above us. I am looking for the name of a barbers shop that was on Langlands Road at Helen street end. Thus, the major failing of any community planning is its inability to understand this relationship between the community and authority in detail and in an objective manner. Small things eh? Wineally for Wine Producers We make your wines shine by having them served with matching dishes in restaurants or at home. Data returned from the Piano 'meterActive/meterExpired' callback event. Sources I stayed in Govan in the early 60's first in a tenement at 118 Govan Road, we stayed in the top storey mum, dad, me, my sister, and baby brother. Situated south of the River Clyde and part of the former Burgh of Govan, it was colloquially referred to as 'Wine Alley' during the mid-to-late 20th century when a housing scheme with a rough reputation was sited there. My great grandfather lived at 67 Garmouth Street with his 3 daughters. My gran lived upstairs at 12 Water row. I'm sure many of these places will have been demolished or renamed but it would be great to hear from anyone who knows of the family or can provide any more details. Reid was a prominent union leader whose successful 'work in' at the Upper Clyde Shipbuilders in 1971 stopped government attempts to close the yards. 5 However, there is the potential for tourism development, for example, the planned development of the Govan Old site, which hosts the historically significant stone carvings, has led to the development of the surrounding townscape and new infrastructure. We are the Eskimoes. The area was originally a country estate which contained a mansion house, Moore Park, which was built in the early 19th century for the Hagart family, to plans prepared by the architect David Hamilton. Moorepark was demolished and converted into an industrial estate in the 1990s, along with a nearby contemporary development at Teucharhill which had a similar tough reputation. If either cop was caught then they were on a hiding to nothing. We all went to Harmony Row school because that was where our mother went and she wanted us to have the same teachers she had, and there were a few left from when she attended there. . I loved going to the Steamie with my Mum and her friends. Local people were also too scared to speak out for fear of reprisals. I stayed all over Govan, I was born in the Southern General in 1961 and was brought home to Neptune St then I stayed in Govan Rd, Broomloan Rd and Carmichael St. Burnside, 42, known as the Godfather, lived on the top-floor flat of his tenement. This settlement was set aside on 20 December 1621, and only the patronage of Govan was left to the University. I was born in 1950 and brought up in Govan in the Moorepark housing estate or the Wine Alley, as it was commonly known. It was very hard during the war for our mother as our brother was three years older and our father was a shipyard worker, working nightshift. A friend called called Alison Galbraith. Conecteaz-te. Now her daughter (my mother) is 92 years old and I am fascinated by the stories which her mother passed down to her and now to me. In 1975 the sociologist Sean Damer went to live for six months in Britain's most notorious housing scheme, Moorepark, or as it was known to all The Wine Alley' of Govan in Glasgow. He liked nothing better than tothrow empty drugs packets out of his window and watch a crowd of desperateaddicts scrambling for them. Introduction The authors would like to thank Glasgow Braendam Link, The Faith in Community (Scotland) Transformation Team, Oxfams UK Poverty Programme, and the Poverty Alliance for suggesting the idea of this project for the worlds Poverty Day on October 17th 2005. Memory says it was painted red but I might be wrong. Many members of the family were married at St Anthonys Chapel. It would also mean long hours of up to 18 hours day in unpleasant conditions. It was absolutely awesome growing up in Govan, lots of shops, such as; Galbraiths, Dands Bobby's, David's butchers, BrotherSoft paper shop, modern book shop, and Woolworths, we had a great wee doctors surgery on Langlands Road, Peacocks bakery, Nicholls store and Amey's cafe. This company continued until 1965, when it filed for bankruptcy. We were also in the Choir at Govan Parish church and in the B.B. images & design by The Poverty Alliance Glasgow Braendam Link 2005, Sitting here on our computers at the end of 2022, The Glasgow User Manual An Almanac and Peoples Guide To the city, Information obesity (Relating to activism), Positive Thinking and the Positive Thinking Industry, Triangulation ( Try things from a different angle), BRENDAN McLAUGHLIN lifes a Bowl o Cherries, ADAM McNAUGHTON JIM McLEAN The Glasgow I Used To Know, ALEXANDER RODGER (1784-1846) Sawney, Now The Kings Come, JOHN TAYLOR CALDWELL The Battle For The Green, RUTHERGLEN DRAMA GROUP Caterpillar Talking Blues, PHIL McPHEE Hutchie E- A Monument to Corruption, Stupidity and Bad Planning, JOHN McGARRIGLE Write nice thingslast night, PETER ARNOTT & PETER MULLAN Beechgrove Garden Festival, ROBERT LYNN Not a Life Story, Just a Leaf From It, R. D. LAING from Wisdom, Madness and Folly, ALEX CATHCART Nostalgically Speaking Imagination is Money. HAPPY TIMES. policy initiatives given due regard. Those ads you do see are predominantly from local businesses promoting local services. It may have been used to contain the body or relics of St. Constantine, a Pictish king killed seemingly killed by Vikings in 876/7 - the style of carving indicates an origin in the late 9th or early 10th century. It brought tears to our eyes as they have destroyed a lot of the buildings that should have been refurbished. I married in Glasgow, Scotland in 1974 and emigrated to Canada that same year, I have lived in Canada ever since. There is a story By Danny Cahley born In 57 Hamilton Street, Govan it was renamed Nethan Street if I remember correctly. It has taken Govan many years to heal and the spare grounds and scars are all nearly gone. My grandparents lived opposite and I remember being sent down to McGunness for an ounce of tobacco for my grand dads pipe. 100m D.C Hair&Beauty . [12], There is an oddity whereby part of eighteenth-century parish of Govan (which was in Lanarkshire) is counted as being within Renfrewshire. The police discovered an empty flat on the eighth floor which would give them a birds eye view of the entrance to Burnsides tenement flat close. They were friendly and knowledgable, it was a great experience. The most famous of these housing estates is Moorepark, sometimes referred to jocularly as "The Wine Alley"[22] - this area was named by The Independent newspaper in April 1994 as one of the worst areas in Britain, with drug abuse being a widespread problem and unemployment standing at nearly 30% (up to three times the national average at the time). Call now (425) 271-4501; Address. Gallery. ', "1881 England Census, The London Charterhouse, St Sepulchre Without, London, p.6 RG11/344", "University of Glasgow:: Story:: Biography of Jimmy Reid", "Aircraft and Shipbuilding Industries Act 1977 (c. 3) Schedule 2 Shipbuilding Industry", Govan Maps 1857-1934, National Library of Scotland, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Govan&oldid=1127691800, Wikipedia articles incorporating a citation from the 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica with Wikisource reference, Short description is different from Wikidata, Articles containing Scottish Gaelic-language text, Articles with MusicBrainz area identifiers, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 16 December 2022, at 03:51. I lived across from Fairfield shipyard and I saw ship being launched when l was about four, I saw Harry Lauder embark from a ship and he was the first person who told me I was a bonnie wee lass. I was born in Govan in 1948 and lived with my grannie in Vicarfield Street, opposite the school. We offer great benefits for wine merchants, hotels and restaurants offering your wines. Any profits went into the family home and we knew that we would get in return our Saturday matinee money and a sweety. In the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, textile mills and coal mining were important; in the early-nineteenth century, shipbuilding emerged as Govan's principal industry. 6 However, people striving to improve their existing environment have limited freedom to act independently. I went to Harmony Row school then Hills Trust school, then to Govan High school. [17][18], A prominent feature of the Govan landscape was the Doomster or Moot Hill, which stood near the river, north of the present Govan Cross. Two associated Christian burials are radiocarbon dated to the 5th or 6th centuries, making Govan the earliest known Christian site in the region. Komunitn organizcia. He lived on Govan Road. 122m The Govan Shed . I cleaned it up and he must have been watching, as he came back out to see if I had done well. We left govan to go to Drumchapel. My sister and I were born the year before the second world war at Montrose nursing home in Govan. Naw, he was told, but we have a wee boy in the back. Over the years the Wine Alley had been severely neglected by the council and in the 1980s like a lot of places in Britain people were faced with high unemployment, drug abuse and crime, it continued to get worse and the homes were in such a bad state due to continued council neglect and lack of investment that they were demolished by 1995 and the people scattered to the 4 corners of Govan and beyond.http://www.acumfaegovan.com Renton, WA 98058. I was shown the door and advised to join the cubs, which I did, but I would have enjoyed being the 1st Lifebhoy. Many of the latter were too poor, ignorant and disorganised to remedy the situation themselves, and so the earliest community planners or social agencies necessarily undertook the first initiatives for planning and providing for people. [28], In 1977, the Labour government of James Callaghan passed the Aircraft and Shipbuilding Industries Act which nationalised Govan and grouped it with other major British shipyards as British Shipbuilders. My Aunt Marg & Uncle Jack Johnstone had the paper shop on Govan Road. I was born Jan 6th 1951 and brought up in flat above Co-op in Helen Street at Govan Cross, I Went to Harmony Row and Hills Trust Primary schools before moving to Pollok when I was 10 .I have 4 brothers Dave, Bobby, Shuggie, all born in Govan ..and Alastair born in Pollok. Members of our family have now moved away to other locations in Glasgow and Paisley, but we still remember our childhoods growing up in Govan. Another is the horses and carts assembled at Harmony Row. It also told them that he was changing the vehicles and registration numbers to avoid detection. Jimmy's was our local shop and Ruby's was out local bakery which fed the Fairfield's workers. Darners second criticism was that the Tenants Association in the scheme had no local leadership or community say over who came into the scheme. I lived at 2 Robert street, Govan, we moved there from Tower Street, Kinning Park, I went to Harmony Row school (1959/60) then moved up to Hills Trust primary and after that went to Broomloan Road secondary school, that was shut down and we were moved to Govan High comprehensive around 1967/1968. In his 2008 memoir Chasing Killers he reflected on his time on the Southside. There mother sold her house to get them season tickets to basketball games before they met their baby daddies. sau. or. The above digital stories were made by members of Govan Reminiscence Group for the Heritage Lottery funded Britain From Above Community Project in Govan, Glasgow, during Spring 2014. Elder park is a mess and all the railings have been taken out. 14). Media/news company. Beforesentencing, judge Lord Caplan told Burnside: ''You have been a significant dealer in a dreadful trade and the courts have seen the havoc it causes among young persons. The first trade I learnt was stealing and gambling yet it seemed normal to all of us as children. Housing Estate (Modern) Site Name Glasgow, Govan, Moorepark Housing Estate. Only neighbours I remember were children Mary and her younger brother James Haggerty who lived in same close which I think was 95 Golspie Street. Nu acum. However, the documents do not ask why so many people with poor health or low educational qualifications happen to be in the same areas in the first place! One was that there was no real attempt at involving the tenants in these changes, nor was there any attempt at involving the community in the future management of their own locale. The following year in 1966, the yard was again reorganised as Fairfields and guaranteed by the government in response. My maternal grandfather was a master brass moulder in the shipyards. The first, Moorepark Grounds, was situated to the north of the mansion from the early 1900s and made way for the housing development;[12] the second (New Moore Park, opened in 1929) was to the south-west of the neighbourhood off Edmiston Drive[12] and had fallen into some disrepair before being replaced by a business park at the turn of the 21st century, with the club moving to new facilities at Shieldhall after some years of uncertainty.[13][14]. Govan covers a huge part of Glasgow's Southside and is famous the world over for its ship building and football team. Also used to go for a bath there even though we had a bath at home. I stayed all over Govan, I was born in the Southern General in 1961 and was brought home to Neptune St then I stayed in Govan Rd, Broomloan Rd and Carmichael St. Pagini similare. The man caught in the earlier operation with 50,000 of drugs in Helen Street was given six years. We sold puppies, kittens, mice, fish and I promise you, they were cleaned and cared for with the tenderest of love and care, and caution was exerted when people tried to buy them. My dad was taken in to see the wee boy, turns out it was me. [20], Traditionally viewed as a lower working-class area, Govan has typically supported the Labour Party, but the Scottish National Party (SNP) has also been strong there. Wine Alley Govan Kids Southern General Hospital On the Clyde Govan Kvaerner/Fairfield Shipyards Govan Shipyards ( Front gate pics ) The Plaza/Vogue Govan Dry Docks Trams in Govan/ Goods Carriers Inside the Lyceum Bingo/Picture Hall Lyceum Projection Room Lyceum Foyer & Balcony Foyer Lyceum Cinema Balcony Inside The Lyceum Govan Baths Harhill [10][11], The area was associated with Junior football team St Anthony's who had two grounds in the area. 81 Albums for you to enjoy : Bellahouston Academy School Photo's St Saviour's Primary School Photo's Lourdes Primary School Photo's St Gerards School. Furthermore, although the new regeneration programme mentions housing quality and physical improvements as valid points in deprived locals, they are still regarded as unessential to regeneration. Tel: 0141 440 1999, Fax: 0141 440 1367 , Our parents and our brother were also married there, and we were all Christened there as well. Govan was the site of a ford and later a ferry which linked the area with Partick for seasonal cattle drovers. It never surfaced again until Lil Feeney came looking for me (who I had known from Govan Initiative) and asked me if I would be interested in helping to write a Report on poverty and deprivation (along with herself and Brian) inspired by Darners book on the same theme. This site is part of Newsquest's audited local newspaper network. I personally don't have any memories of Govan although I'm sure I visited family who were living there many years ago in the late sixties. As a result, it proved very simple for them to track the gang movements on a day-to-day basis. Reply. Its cells were just as grim but did not seem to deter the many local villains who frequented them on a regular basis. My cousin Pat and I were just reminiscing about memories of the Steamie - which I think I was dragged along to, to help Mrs. Mary Devlin, in about 1965? I was born and brought up in Drumoyne. This is a 12th-century Latin source, but one believed to be based on much earlier materials; it records a place near Dumbarton Rock named Ouania. The second outcome was a general agreement among officials to stop using the abusive term of Wine Alley as this served only to reproduce the stigma of the scheme. We lived directly opposite the Steamie and I vividly recall playing "ball" against the red brick wall for hours. 125m Harley's ice cream parlour . 2 Markus, 1993, p. 148 Many of the people who buy these flats do not intend to stay in them rather; they hope either to rent them out at exorbitant prices or to sell them quickly at a greater price than they bought them for. I remember your family at 100 Harmony Row, my cousin Maisie McAlinden was friendly with the family also my Granny, or as she was better known, MAW Austin, hence I was bettter known a Joe Austin. Directions to Wine Alley Govan (Glasgow) with public transport The following transport lines have routes that pass near Wine Alley Govan Bus : 121 23 26 X19 Train : SCOTRAIL Light rail : SUB How to get to Wine Alley Govan by Bus? I remember two days before we left in 1963, I took her to the Govan Fair, and that was the last one I ever saw. The scheme was codenamed Operation Buckfast after a brand of tonic wine popular in the area. The barbers shop was called "Knop & Joyce" and was at 26 Langlands Road, it opened in 1929 and Harry Knop lived in the next close at 34 Langlands Road. I considered that I did a real job and that what he did for a living was nonsense. The writer on housing problems, T. A. Markus, wondered why many important questions were never asked in the planning process. Comedian. Born 1945, 28 Craigton Road two up in the hole in the wall, I went to Greenfield Primary remember headmaster name a Mr Hutchinson, a Miss Burnside, miss Blackstock. Only a few years into it, faults like dampness had begun to appear in the tower blocks of the Laurieston/ Gorbals project, which rapidly turned into a disaster area. Above is a quote from a seasoned Timfrom the unfairly labelled Wine Alley (Moorpark) area, once of greater Govan, just off Broomloan Road. [7] It is now kept inside the church, as part of the Govan Stones museum collection. Within a years, Moorepark had gained the abusive epithet of the Wine Alley. This is a small family owned and operated place. Even having a "piece" thrown from the window was an adventure would it be "butter"and sugar or Jam what a treat! We went this year to the Fairfield shipyard museum which was very interesting.
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